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	<title>Comments on: Emacs: Choosing between Org and Planner</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sacha Chua</title>
		<link>http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/#comment-43900</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha Chua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Jody! =)

Org's been working out well for me so far. I miss having all of my notes saved on my Emacs pages and seeing the notes in the context of my tasks for the day, but I suppose I can rig something up with weblogger.el and Org's agenda mode. If you've got extensive notes already in Planner, then you can probably port over interesting features of Org and not miss too much. =)

Sacha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Jody! =)</p>
<p>Org&#039;s been working out well for me so far. I miss having all of my notes saved on my Emacs pages and seeing the notes in the context of my tasks for the day, but I suppose I can rig something up with weblogger.el and Org&#039;s agenda mode. If you&#039;ve got extensive notes already in Planner, then you can probably port over interesting features of Org and not miss too much. =)</p>
<p>Sacha</p>
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		<title>By: bitsenbloc &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interessant (2008.08.06)</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitsenbloc &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interessant (2008.08.06)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jody  Klymak</title>
		<link>http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/#comment-39393</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody  Klymak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sacha,

Any update on how this is going for you?  I recently got back to using planner after I figured out how to get my messages from Mail.app (OS X) into it.  Org mode sounds like you would end up with some very messy pages.  I guess I also keep extensive notes on my projects. I've used planner throughout for that.

Cheers,  Jody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sacha,</p>
<p>Any update on how this is going for you?  I recently got back to using planner after I figured out how to get my messages from Mail.app (OS X) into it.  Org mode sounds like you would end up with some very messy pages.  I guess I also keep extensive notes on my projects. I&#039;ve used planner throughout for that.</p>
<p>Cheers,  Jody</p>
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		<title>By: kevin05jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin05jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sacha,

thanx for the article. i am testing org-mode for the moment. in the past i used mozilla sunbird for planning but got frustrated, because all the bits of infos were spread over the days and months' entries. one text file seriously gives the advantage and with outline view it is simple to navigate. my problem is only that i find it difficult to make schedules and dealines. in sunbird you can see the days and you mark the days/weeks/months for a particular subtask/project and you can see whether you are busy in the following weeks and therefore try to avoid overloading your schedule. but with org-mode there is no such simple graphical representation nor is it simple to adapt and clearify when using agenda-timeline mode. do you know what i mean? it would be great to have little colored boxes or whatever in emacs showing monday-friday scheduled for project xyz, and so i know whether i have still enough space to plan sth for,e.g. mon-tue. it it must also be easy to alter the dates; but most important the clear illustration. do you know how to hack around this? i am unfamiliar with lisp code.

kev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sacha,</p>
<p>thanx for the article. i am testing org-mode for the moment. in the past i used mozilla sunbird for planning but got frustrated, because all the bits of infos were spread over the days and months&#039; entries. one text file seriously gives the advantage and with outline view it is simple to navigate. my problem is only that i find it difficult to make schedules and dealines. in sunbird you can see the days and you mark the days/weeks/months for a particular subtask/project and you can see whether you are busy in the following weeks and therefore try to avoid overloading your schedule. but with org-mode there is no such simple graphical representation nor is it simple to adapt and clearify when using agenda-timeline mode. do you know what i mean? it would be great to have little colored boxes or whatever in emacs showing monday-friday scheduled for project xyz, and so i know whether i have still enough space to plan sth for,e.g. mon-tue. it it must also be easy to alter the dates; but most important the clear illustration. do you know how to hack around this? i am unfamiliar with lisp code.</p>
<p>kev</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/#comment-3790</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I set up my org to autmatically clock in/out when changing todo state. It is easy to push files to your agenda files stack and cycle your agenda files there after (just by pressing C-,). One page for each customer, one directory for all planning pages and your organized perfectly. The tasks get documented in the same file and it's easy to get the billing stuff done.

Just put a headline there

* Tasks until bill from 03.14.2008

when the bill is out. This is exactly the point where org is strong. It keeps the TODOS, the timeclock, the description of the problem and the solution all together in one place. SHIFT-TAB folds the whole thing to an overview handy overview. I have pages containing 70 or more tasks including descriptions and handle them easily with org.

It goes:

* Customer calling
* C-,  until I see his planning page
* Initial view is 'structure', so usally I never have to move point more than a fiew lines, since I add new task at beginning of the file.
* TAB TAB   and see everything concerning the task the customers question is about.
* C-c C-x C-d   and I see an overlay summing up all subtasks of the task in question (and all the other tasks too).

Currently I do all my writings and planing in org mode. I just love it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I set up my org to autmatically clock in/out when changing todo state. It is easy to push files to your agenda files stack and cycle your agenda files there after (just by pressing C-,). One page for each customer, one directory for all planning pages and your organized perfectly. The tasks get documented in the same file and it&#039;s easy to get the billing stuff done.</p>
<p>Just put a headline there</p>
<p>* Tasks until bill from 03.14.2008</p>
<p>when the bill is out. This is exactly the point where org is strong. It keeps the TODOS, the timeclock, the description of the problem and the solution all together in one place. SHIFT-TAB folds the whole thing to an overview handy overview. I have pages containing 70 or more tasks including descriptions and handle them easily with org.</p>
<p>It goes:</p>
<p>* Customer calling<br />
* C-,  until I see his planning page<br />
* Initial view is &#039;structure&#039;, so usally I never have to move point more than a fiew lines, since I add new task at beginning of the file.<br />
* TAB TAB   and see everything concerning the task the customers question is about.<br />
* C-c C-x C-d   and I see an overlay summing up all subtasks of the task in question (and all the other tasks too).</p>
<p>Currently I do all my writings and planing in org mode. I just love it <img src='http://sachachua.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: atoku</title>
		<link>http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>atoku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sacha, sorry for an emotional text: you are the best :) Really really. I would be really happy to talk to you about all that hacking stuff around.

BTW, I started to use planner under your influence and now you are convincing people that Org-mode is better. :) What the hit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sacha, sorry for an emotional text: you are the best <img src='http://sachachua.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Really really. I would be really happy to talk to you about all that hacking stuff around.</p>
<p>BTW, I started to use planner under your influence and now you are convincing people that Org-mode is better. <img src='http://sachachua.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> What the hit!</p>
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		<title>By: jaaronfarr</title>
		<link>http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>jaaronfarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for answering my question.  That helps.  In a month or so, I'll probably post my own evaluation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answering my question.  That helps.  In a month or so, I&#039;ll probably post my own evaluation.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey what's wrong with a simple text file?
I have been using that for years, and it does the job for me.
(I don't really need to publish, just to have a TODO file so I don't forget stuff.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey what&#039;s wrong with a simple text file?<br />
I have been using that for years, and it does the job for me.<br />
(I don&#039;t really need to publish, just to have a TODO file so I don&#039;t forget stuff.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. Hershberger</title>
		<link>http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark A. Hershberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw lots of activity around Org and less and less around Planner (plus, Org is in Emacs CVS), so I decided to give it a try.

Understand I'm a poor planner, so I don't really have a "style" of planning.  I make sporadic use of the tools, but find they're really great when I use them.

The most important thing to me was billing time and I had already spent time setting up timeclock so that I could clock-in and -out of Planner tasks.  Org has a nice time tracker, but it wasn't obvious to me how to create a report for client X in month Y.

In the end, I had to switch back because of the timeclock thing and because I was already used to creating tasks and moving them around between days in Planner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw lots of activity around Org and less and less around Planner (plus, Org is in Emacs CVS), so I decided to give it a try.</p>
<p>Understand I&#039;m a poor planner, so I don&#039;t really have a &#034;style&#034; of planning.  I make sporadic use of the tools, but find they&#039;re really great when I use them.</p>
<p>The most important thing to me was billing time and I had already spent time setting up timeclock so that I could clock-in and -out of Planner tasks.  Org has a nice time tracker, but it wasn&#039;t obvious to me how to create a report for client X in month Y.</p>
<p>In the end, I had to switch back because of the timeclock thing and because I was already used to creating tasks and moving them around between days in Planner.</p>
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