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<p>
I want to get better at helping A+ learn more
about art, and I want to learn more about art
myself. She'll learn whatever she's ready to
learn, but maybe I can help her get past the
initial frustrations by breaking it down into
smaller skills. As for me, there's plenty I can
learn about seeing, getting stuff to look like
what I'm seeing, imagining things, and
communicating them. If I go about learning the
things I want to learn, maybe she'll come along
and pick things up too.
</p>

<p>
A+'s grade 3 virtual teacher assigned a landscape
art project focusing on <a href="https://tvolearn.com/pages/grade-3-the-arts-visual-arts-learning-activity-6">depth</a> (foreground, middle
ground, background) and value (highlight, midtone,
shadow) using images from <a href="https://artsandculture.google.com/project/national-park-service">The Hidden Worlds of the
National Parks</a>. A+ was curious about Glacier
National Park, and following that thread led us to
this <a href="https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/saint-mary-lake-angelo-chiacchio/VgEAvcAHB6JCGQ">photograph of Saint-Mary Lake by Angelo
Chiacchio</a> (2018), so we used it as a reference.
Angelo Chiacchio took this picture during a
300-day solo journey focusing on the
precarity of our relationship with the world
around us. He called this project .
</p>

<p>
Anyway. Back to the assignment. When A+ started
her artwork in Procreate the other day, I noticed
she was getting frustrated with her lines and
curves not going where she wanted them to go. I
suggested approaching it as a painting instead,
blocking in masses of colour (&#x2026; am I even using
these words correctly?) and then gradually
refining them based on what she sees, kind of like
how you can smoosh some clay and then push it
around until it feels right. She liked that
approach better. We talked about fractions as we
figured out how much space the background features
took, and she painted land and sky and land and
sky until things felt right to her. As she added
details, I sometimes mentioned things I saw in the
photo that I was trying to add to my painting, and
she figured out her own interpretations of those.
I liked how we both got the foreground/middle
ground/background distinction using size and
detail, and how the shadows helped the rocks look
like they were part of the landscape.
</p>

<p>
Here's my take on it. Not entirely sure about the
derivative work status of these ones, but I'm
fairly sure they're no threat to Angelo
Chiacchio's professional prospects as a
designer/photographer/filmmaker. The first one is
done using the Atelier drawing mode on my
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/category/supernote">Supernote</a> A5X, and the second one using the
regular note app on the Supernote and just
white/black:
</p>

<div class="row">
<p>
</p><div class="sketch-full"><a class="photoswipe" href="https://sketches.sachachua.com/filename/2025-02-04-08%20Saint-Mary%20Lake%20&#45;&#45;%20painting%20landscape.png" data-src="https://sketches.sachachua.com/static/2025-02-04-08%20Saint-Mary%20Lake%20&#45;&#45;%20painting%20landscape.png" data-title="2025-02-04-08 Saint-Mary Lake &#45;&#45; painting landscape.png" data-w="2033" data-h="1537"><picture>
      <img src="https://sketches.sachachua.com/static/2025-02-04-08%20Saint-Mary%20Lake%20&#45;&#45;%20painting%20landscape.png" width="2033" height="1537" alt="2025-02-04-08 Saint-Mary Lake &#45;&#45; painting landscape.png" loading="lazy" style="max-height: 90vw; height: auto; width: auto" decoding="async">
      <figcaption>2025-02-04-08 Saint-Mary Lake &#45;&#45; painting landscape.png</figcaption>
    </picture></a></div>
<p></p>

<p>
</p><div class="sketch-full"><a class="photoswipe" href="https://sketches.sachachua.com/filename/2025-02-05-02%20Saint-Mary%20Lake%20sketch%202%20&#45;&#45;%20drawing.png" data-src="https://sketches.sachachua.com/static/2025-02-05-02%20Saint-Mary%20Lake%20sketch%202%20&#45;&#45;%20drawing.png" data-title="2025-02-05-02 Saint-Mary Lake sketch 2 &#45;&#45; drawing.png" data-w="3412" data-h="2466"><picture>
      <img src="https://sketches.sachachua.com/static/2025-02-05-02%20Saint-Mary%20Lake%20sketch%202%20&#45;&#45;%20drawing.png" width="3412" height="2466" alt="2025-02-05-02 Saint-Mary Lake sketch 2 &#45;&#45; drawing.png" loading="lazy" style="max-height: 90vw; height: auto; width: auto" decoding="async">
      <figcaption>2025-02-05-02 Saint-Mary Lake sketch 2 &#45;&#45; drawing.png</figcaption>
    </picture></a></div>
<p></p>

</div>

<p>
Now that I've had a chance to look at the
reference photo on my external monitor instead of
on my phone screen, I can see a few more details,
like peaks behind the forests on the left side.
Working with just black/white is handy as I don't
need to slow down to change pen colours. Maybe I
can experiment with a midtone background so that I
just need to add white and black.
</p>

<p>
Yesterday, we logged off from virtual school early
to go to the <a href="https://ago.ca/">Art Gallery of Ontario</a>. I knew the
class was going to do some more work on landscape
art, so I figured it might be nice to check out
the gallery and see things at a different scale.
We could look at actual landscape paintings. As we wandered through the galleries, A+
was particularly interested in the <a href="https://ago.ca/collection/browse?related_artists%5B30146%5D=30146">Lawren S.
Harris paintings</a> like <a href="https://ago.ca/collection/object/agoid.103938">South Shore, Bylot Island</a>,
which had two other variations:
</p>

<ul class="org-ul">
<li><a href="https://ago.ca/collection/object/agoid.103971">Bylot Island Shore, Arctic Sketch XXXII</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ago.ca/collection/object/agoid.103972">Bylot Island, South Shore From Eclipse Sound, Arctic Sketches XXXIV</a></li>
</ul>

<p>
We looked at the foam on the waves, the contrast
of the mountains, the clouds, the light, the shape
of the peaks and the level of detail, the
overlapping of the ridges of the mountains, the
proportion of water to land to sky. She pointed to
the elements of the paintings and looked closely
at how it was put together.
</p>

<p>
By Lawren S. Harris, paintings from <a href="https://ago.ca">https://ago.ca</a>, all rights reserved:
</p>

<div class="row">

<figure id="orgae817de">
<a href="https://ago.ca/collection/object/agoid.103972"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/bylot-island-shore-sketch-32.jpg" alt="bylot-island-shore-sketch-32.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 1: </span>Sketch XXXII</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org3d950db">
<a href="https://ago.ca/collection/object/agoid.103972"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/bylot-island-shore-sketch-35.jpg" alt="bylot-island-shore-sketch-35.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 2: </span>Sketch XXXIV</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="orgfb3180a">
<a href="https://ago.ca/collection/object/agoid.103938"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/south-shore-bylot-island.jpg" alt="south-shore-bylot-island.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 3: </span>South Shore, Bylot Island</figcaption>
</figure>

</div>

<p>
(I think it's okay to use these thumbnails under the Fair Dealing clause of <a href="https://ago.ca/ago-terms-use">AGO Terms of Use</a>.)
</p>

<p>
Reading more about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawren_Harris">Lawren S. Harris</a>, I learned
that he invited artists to come together, provided
them an inexpensive space to work, and financed
trips for them, and helped form the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_Seven_(artists)">Group of Seven</a>
(of which he was one) in 1920. That reminds me a
little of <a href="https://www.math.toronto.edu/mccann/199/thurston.pdf">William Thurston's thoughts</a> on how
mathematical knowledge can move so much more
quickly through informal, in-person discussions
compared to lectures or published papers.
Connection: A group of painters thinking about
Canadian art together. And a small-scale
connection: the bouncing around of ideas in the
Emacs community. But I am trying to squeeze too
many tangents into this post.
</p>

<p>
I liked being able to look at versions of the same
idea and discuss the differences between them.
Today I looked up the paintings so I could write
about them. I told A+ about how the two sketches
were numbered #32 and #35, which means the artist
probably did lots of studies to figure out how to
paint what he wanted to show, and that even
accomplished artists try lots of things in order
to figure things out. It's interesting to get a
glimpse of what happens behind the scenes of a
polished piece of art.
</p>

<p>
I brought the iPad and my Supernote so that A+
could finish her digital landscape painting and so
that I could work on mine. A proper class field
trip came in, too. We watched the grade 6/7
students sprawl on the floor, pick paintings to
study, and sketch with pencil and paper. A+ got
her painting to a point where she really liked it.
I liked the way her digital brushstrokes textured
the rocks in the foreground where mine still felt
flat, and the attention she paid to the snow in
the peaks. Anyway, homework done, we explored some
more. She found the AGO energizing and pulled me
from exhibit to exhibit, although we did have to
reluctantly save some galleries for the next trip.
</p>

<p>
I was a little envious of A+'s familiarity with
Procreate. Maybe when I get the hang of value and
if art becomes more of a thing, I might consider
getting my own iPad for digital painting, since
she often uses W-'s iPad for reading, watching, or
drawing. I'd love to work with colours again. In
the meantime, I still have much I can learn on the
Supernote, even though it can only do white,
black, and two levels of gray. When I browse
through <a href="https://reddit.com/r/supernote">/r/supernote</a> for inspiration (there's a
filter for just <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Supernote/?f=flair_name%3A%22Artwork%22">artwork posts</a>), it's&#x2026; ah&#x2026; easy
to see that the hardware is not the limiting
factor. Besides, I can practise using <a href="https://krita.org/en/">Krita</a> on the
X230 tablet PC. And it's been helpful, actually,
limiting myself to just what the Supernote can do.
I don't have to spend time trying to figure out
colours that reflect what I see and that somehow
work together with the other colours in the image.
I can focus on learning how to see in terms of
value first, and maybe dig into more of the
techniques around black and white drawings.
</p>

<p>
Towards the end of my father's life, he took up
drawing and watercolour painting, teaching himself
through YouTube tutorials and tons of practice. As
an advertising photographer, he had already spent
decades thinking about composition and light, so I
think he had a bit of an unfair advantage,
especially since drawing meant that he didn't even
have to have the right dramatic sky to Photoshop
into an image.
</p>

<p>
When my dad asked me which of his drawings or
paintings I wanted to keep, I asked for his
sketchbook. I wanted the rough sketches, the
in-between steps, the experiments. He gave me his
one sketchbook and a bunch of loose sketches in a
small case. I think he must have drawn in other
sketchbooks, but maybe he didn't keep them, or
maybe he really just leveled up that quickly. So
here's a series of sketches by John K. Chua (all
rights reserved). I'm pretty sure he was following
this tutorial on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDCeNWLZ3A">How to Draw a Lighthouse, the Sea
and Sky</a>, but I'm just guessing at the sequence of
these sketches.
</p>

<div class="gallery" id="org30e1a84">

<figure id="org2e1cd5c">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0245.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0245.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0245.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 4: </span>A</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org375f2a9">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0246.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0246.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0246.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 5: </span>B</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org2d3223f">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0247.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0247.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0247.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 6: </span>C</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org001b71e">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0256.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0256.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0256.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 7: </span>D</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org047a899">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0248.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0248.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0248.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 8: </span>E</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org7745a25">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0254.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0254.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0254.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 9: </span>F</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org38bbbc3">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0259.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0259.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0259.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 10: </span>G</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="orgad64d60">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0257.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0257.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0257.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 11: </span>H</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org09f1696">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0251.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0251.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0251.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 12: </span>I</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org0df9e18">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0255.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0255.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0255.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 13: </span>J</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="org617a198">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0253.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0253.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0253.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 14: </span>K</figcaption>
</figure>


<figure id="orgf634438">
<a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/scan0252.jpg"><img src="https://sachachua.com/blog/2025/02/looking-at-landscapes-art-and-iteration/thumb-scan0252.jpg" alt="thumb-scan0252.jpg"></a>

<figcaption><span class="figure-number">Figure 15: </span>L</figcaption>
</figure>

</div>

<p>
This was about half a year before his death.
Cancer meant he couldn't get out as much as he
used to, so he had to channel his passion for
photography and learning into something else. It's
interesting to see him experiment with the shapes
in the sky, the contrast and shape of the shore,
the rocks, the light from the lighthouse. He made
many other sketches and paintings, often with
several variations in the sketchbook. It would
have been nice to see what he could've done with
years more experimentation, but ah well.
</p>

<p>
While reading about art studies and iteration, I
came across these posts:
</p>

<ul class="org-ul">
<li><a href="https://monikazagrobelna.com/2022/01/06/what-are-art-studies-and-how-to-do-them/">What Are Art Studies and How to Do Them – Monika Zagrobelna</a>: with plenty of examples from anatomy</li>
<li><a href="https://stephenberryart.com/blog/2016/3/28/learning-through-iteration">Iterative Painting- Learning Through Experimentation and Critical Analysis — Stephen Berry Art</a>
<ul class="org-ul">
<li>work small</li>
<li>decide on one change at a time</li>
<li>separate technique from composition</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p>
So yes, definitely a thing.
</p>

<p>
I've been having fun drawing more. I could pick a
tutorial, a Creative Commons image, or a public
domain image as a reference so I can freely share
my iterations. It'll be interesting to do that
kind of iteration. I'm not sure A+'s at the point
of being able to do that kind of study yet. I'm
not totally sure I'm at that point yet either. My
mind is often pulled in other directions by ideas
and novelty. I am definitely going to lose her if
I insist she repeats things.
</p>

<p id="interest-development">
That reminds me a little of another reflection
I've been noodling around on interest development.
The article <a href="https://alair.ala.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/0a340fae-0c02-4935-ba9f-680252dde95d/content" id="interest-development">Enhance Your Reference Skills by
Knowing the Four Phases of Interest Development</a>
and this <a href="https://stelar.edc.org/sites/default/files/2022-11/Day%202_Ann%20Renninger%20.pdf">presentation</a> mention that in the phase of
emerging personal interest, when people are
starting to become curious and independently
re-engage a topic, they're <b>not</b> particularly
interested in being advised on how to improve what
they've currently got. It's better to acknowledge
the effort they're putting in and to be patient.
So I might as well just learn beside her,
experimenting on my own stuff, letting her peek
in, and see where that takes us.
</p>

<p>
This is hard. But life is long (generally), and
she can learn things when she's ready. She can
<b>only</b> learn things when she's ready. There's
time. I didn't grow up particularly confident in
art. I still mostly draw stick figures. But to my
great surprise, I've managed to get paid for a few
of them as a grown-up, and I use them myself to
think and grow. Sometimes I discover myself
drawing for fun.
</p>

<p>
At 41 years, what am I ready to learn about art?
About life?
</p>

<p id="taste-gap">
I have that sense of discrepancy between my clumsy
lines and blobs and actions, and the shapes and
results I want. This is good. I can imagine that
there's something better, even if that's often
unclear, and it's not&#x2026; whatever this is. That is
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2wLP0izeJE" id="taste-gap">the gap</a> between taste and skill that Ira Glass
described.
</p>

<blockquote>
<p>
Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I
wish someone told me. All of us who do creative
work, we get into it because we have good taste.
But there is this gap. For the first couple years
you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s
trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not.
But your taste, the thing that got you into the
game, is still killer. And your taste is why your
work disappoints you. A lot of people never get
past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who
do interesting, creative work went through years
of this. We know our work doesn’t have this
special thing that we want it to have. We all go
through this. And if you are just starting out or
you are still in this phase, you gotta know its
normal and the most important thing you can do is
do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so
that every week you will finish one story. It is
only by going through a volume of work that you
will close that gap, and your work will be as good
as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out
how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s
gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile.
You’ve just gotta fight your way through.
</p>
</blockquote>

<p>
With any luck, I'm never going to outrun the gap.
An important part to learn (and share) is how to
let go of the frustration and self-doubt that get
in the way, so that we can get on with the
learning. That's hard. I am learning to
experiment, even if it looks like I'm only
changing a little bit at a time, and even if I
often go sideways or backwards more than forward.
I am trying to get better at sketching and taking
notes so that I can see things side by side. In
life, part of the challenge is figuring out the
characteristics of this quirky medium&#x2013;what it
permits at this particular moment. I just have to
keep trying, and observing, and thinking, and
changing; not quite the same thing again and again.
</p>

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		<title type="html">Planning for summer</title>
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		<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>J-&#8216;s now on her summer break. We&#8217;ve been thinking of ways to help her use her summer well. There&#8217;ll be time for unstructured play and for hanging out with friends, of course, but it&#8217;s also good to help her develop initiative and life skills, fighting the temptations of video games along the way. </p>
<p> Both W- and I are working through summer because we&#8217;re saving our vacation days for Kathy&#8217;s upcoming wedding, so J- will need to be self-driven. She&#8217;s pretty good at dealing with the inevitable what-do-I-do-now moments (and we all get those, if we&#8217;re lucky). She often practises piano or ukulele, reads a book, or hangs out with friends. We can help by setting some challenges, nudging her to work on mastery or life skills, and giving her feedback on how she&#8217;s doing (such as for writing or math exercises). </p>
<p> Overall plans for the summer: </p>
<ul>
<li>Read  </li>
<li>Practise music </li>
<li>Hang out with friends </li>
<li>Prepare for next school year </li>
<li>Work on life skills </li>
</ul>
<p> It&#8217;s often easier to pick from a list than to think of something to do in the moment, so here are some ideas for things to do: </p>
<p> Physical </p>
<ul>
<li>Swimming </li>
<li>Biking </li>
<li>Exercising </li>
<li>Running, playing in the park </li>
</ul>
<p> Mental </p>
<ul>
<li>Reading a book (critical reading &#8211; maybe discussion at dinner?) </li>
<li>Working on reading exercises </li>
<li>Working on math exercises </li>
<li>Going to the library </li>
</ul>
<p> Creative </p>
<ul>
<li>Drawing (comics, sketches, etc.) &#8211; maybe put together a sketchbook or comic book </li>
<li>Writing notes, stories, and so on </li>
<li>Playing the piano or the ukulele </li>
<li>Visiting the AGO, the ROM, the science centre, etc. </li>
<li>Taking pictures </li>
<li>Exploring arts and crafts (ex: collage, sculpting) </li>
</ul>
<p> Life skills </p>
<ul>
<li>Learning how to cook </li>
<li>Making life better: cleaning, tidying, looking for ways to improve, etc. </li>
<li>Volunteering (Free Geek?) </li>
<li>Learning life skills: taking public transit, biking, etc. </li>
<li>Negotiating/persuading </li>
</ul>
<p> Play </p>
<ul>
<li>Hang out with friends </li>
<li>Play video games (time-limited?) </li>
<li>Play board games </li>
</ul>
<p> We&#8217;ll encourage her to add to this list, too. </p>
<p> We like the way her school uses <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubric_(academic)">rubrics</a> to make it clear what excellence looks like. We&#8217;re not planning to use one to grade J- for her summer work &#8211; grading summer! what a thought &#8211; but it might be useful to work out one with her so that she can self-evaluate how she&#8217;s spending her time and so that she can motivate herself to push her limits. W- and I thought about the process first so that we can guide her through planning her own. Here&#8217;s the draft W- and I came up with: </p>
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<col class="left">
<col class="left">
<col class="left">
<col class="left"> </colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="left">Category</td>
<td class="left">1</td>
<td class="left">2</td>
<td class="left">3</td>
<td class="left">4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Physical</td>
<td class="left">Sat on couch all day / stayed indoors</td>
<td class="left">Basic calisthenics</td>
<td class="left">Extended physical activity</td>
<td class="left">Stretching your limits</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Mental</td>
<td class="left">Played video games all day / watched TV all day</td>
<td class="left">1 unit of work</td>
<td class="left">2 units of work</td>
<td class="left">3 units of work</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Creative</td>
<td class="left">No creative output</td>
<td class="left">Drew / wrote / practised piano/ukulele / etc.</td>
<td class="left">Memorized part of a song / New story/comic/drawing to share</td>
<td class="left">Discussion of work</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Life skills</td>
<td class="left">Mess</td>
<td class="left">Cleaned up after self</td>
<td class="left">Cleaned up after cats</td>
<td class="left">Made life better / cleaned up after others</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Technology</td>
<td class="left">Played video games or surfed the Internet all day</td>
<td class="left">Practised IT skills (typing, presentations, etc.)</td>
<td class="left">Created something using technology and shared it with us or others</td>
<td class="left">Learned something on your own / experimented with tools</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p> Thinking of ways to build scaffolds for J-&#8216;s learning through these lists of ideas and rubrics for self-evaluation inspires me to make some of these for myself, too. </p>
<p> What would my discretionary-time activities look like? </p>
<p> Physical </p>
<ul>
<li>Biking </li>
<li>Exercising </li>
<li>Gardening </li>
</ul>
<p> Mental </p>
<ul>
<li>Reading a book, maybe blogging notse </li>
<li>Improving development skills </li>
</ul>
<p> Creative </p>
<ul>
<li>Drawing &#8211; sketches, presentations, etc. </li>
<li>Writing notes, stories, blog posts </li>
<li>Playing the piano </li>
<li>Visiting the AGO, the ROM, the science centre, etc. </li>
<li>Taking pictures </li>
</ul>
<p> Life skills </p>
<ul>
<li>Preparing a new recipe or experimenting with a familiar one </li>
<li>Making life better: cleaning, tidying, looking for ways to improve, etc. </li>
<li>Learning how to drive </li>
</ul>
<p> What would a rubric for myself look like? </p>
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<col class="left">
<col class="left">
<col class="left"> </colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="left">Category</td>
<td class="left">1 &#8211; minimal</td>
<td class="left">2 &#8211; acceptable</td>
<td class="left">3 &#8211; good</td>
<td class="left">4 &#8211; awesome</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Physical</td>
<td class="left">Sat and worked all day / stayed indoors</td>
<td class="left">Worked at standing desk / did some gardening</td>
<td class="left">Turned the compost / exercised</td>
<td class="left">Exercised for hours</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Mental</td>
<td class="left">Did OK at work</td>
<td class="left">Solved new problems or built new functionality at work</td>
<td class="left">Read one or more books</td>
<td class="left">Worked on learning a new skill / Shared what I was learning</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Creative</td>
<td class="left">No creative output</td>
<td class="left">Blogged / practised piano</td>
<td class="left">Created and shared pictures or sketches</td>
<td class="left">Learned a new technique / memorized part of a song</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Life skills</td>
<td class="left">Mess</td>
<td class="left">Cleaned up after self</td>
<td class="left">Cleaned up after others</td>
<td class="left">Made life better</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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		<title type="html">Meaning and acknowledgement</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2011/06/meaning-and-acknowledgement/"/>
		<author><name><![CDATA[Sacha Chua]]></name></author>
		<updated>2011-06-30T04:46:02Z</updated>
    <published>2011-06-30T00:40:00Z</published>
    <category term="book" />
<category term="education" />
<category term="learning" />
<category term="teaching" />
		<id>https://sachachua.com/blog/?p=22332</id>
		<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>J- brought home her report card this week. She did well in so many subjects that it&#8217;s hard to pick which strength to build on first. Her mathematics study group sessions and science projects paid off, as did her personal interest in music. </p>
<p> To celebrate her work, W- and I made a colourful card. She likes making greeting cards for us, and it was fun making one for her. </p>
<p> It&#8217;s important to acknowledge good work. One time, W- was reviewing J-&#8216;s answers to the math exercises he gave her. &#8220;Very good,&#8221; he said. He crumpled the finished piece of paper. </p>
<p> I plucked it from his hands and smoothened it out. &#8220;Ahem,&#8221; I said meaningfully. </p>
<p> &#8220;Oops. I tossed the other one already,&#8221; confessed W-. I retrieved the previous paper from the recycling bin and uncrumpled it. W- made a point of scoring both papers and adding smileys. J- beamed. </p>
<p> Ah, behavioural psychology at home. You can influence people&#8217;s motivation by acknowledging or devaluing their work. In <i>The Upside of Irrationality: The Unexpected Benefits of Defying Logic at Work and at Home</i> (Dan Areily, 2010), I read about experiments that explored how motivated people were if they thought their results were meaningless. As it turns out, people are strongly affected by the immediate perception of the usefulness of their work. </p>
<p> In a task involving assembling Lego figures, participants who completed figures and put them into a box did more and enjoyed the task more than participants whose figures were disassembled right after they finished completing them. Another experiment described in the book involved finding pairs of letters on pages, a small payment scheme that stopped at the 10th sheet, and three scenarios where: </p>
<ul>
<li>people wrote their names on the papers they completed, and they were positively acknowledged by the experimentr </li>
<li>people completed and submitted papers with no names and without   acknowledgement </li>
<li>people submitted papers that were then <b>shredded</b>, unread, right in front of them </li>
</ul>
<p> 49% of the people who were acknowledged went on to complete ten sheets or more, while only 17% of the people whose work was immediately shredded completed 10 or more. Only 18% of the people whose work was ignored completed ten sheets or more. </p>
<p> Verbal acknowledgment of good work is good, but could it be at odds with the physical message of tossing the paper into the recycling bin? Best to be coherent. So the paper is celebrated, labeled, and put into a folder. </p>
<p> W- reminds me of this principle too, when I forget. On the way home from work one day, I brought up how he spent some time selecting and copying items from the workbook onto a piece of paper for J-&#8216;s exercises. &#8220;Should we get a workbook without explanations, so J- can test herself?&#8221; I asked W-. </p>
<p> &#8220;No, it&#8217;s okay. Besides, it shows her that I value this,&#8221; W- said. &#8220;If I give her a workbook so that I can do something else, it&#8217;s not the same.&#8221; </p>
<p> We invest learning with meaning and value, and that helps. </p>
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		<title type="html">Study group: Flashcards and the Leitner method</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sachachua.com/blog/2011/04/study-group-flashcards-leitner-method/"/>
		<author><name><![CDATA[Sacha Chua]]></name></author>
		<updated>2011-04-28T03:21:43Z</updated>
    <published>2011-04-29T12:00:00Z</published>
    <category term="education" />
<category term="geek" />
<category term="learning" />
<category term="life" />
<category term="teaching" />
		<id>https://sachachua.com/blog/?p=22217</id>
		<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Flashcards are great for memorizing. They break topics down into learnable chunks, develop random-access knowledge, and turn learning into a game with visual progress. Flashcards also make it easier for people to learn together, testing each other on concepts. </p>
<p> We&#8217;ve been teaching the kids in the study group using flashcards for multiplication facts, fractions, and the Greek alphabet. We also teach them how to use cognitive theory to improve learning&ndash;well, perhaps not in those words. For example, when J- wants to help her friends learn the Greek alphabet (having handily mastered recognition herself), we encouraged her to cycle through letters in small sets (5 to 7 characters at a time) instead of running through all the letters in one go. It&#8217;s the same technique we used when they were learning the multiplication table. </p>
<p> J- also shared the mnemonics she used to remember many of the Greek letters. For example, she described λ as &#8220;Lambda, like Mary had a little lamb, going down a hill.&#8221; They&#8217;re quickly developing in-jokes, too, like the way V- calls α Pisces, they call Μ big mu, and ω makes the kids laugh. </p>
<p> W- and I have our own flashcards: Dutch, in preparation for our upcoming trip, and Latin, because we&#8217;re learning that too. Electronic flashcards offer convenience, of course, but paper flashcards are so much more fun. </p>
<p> In this week&#8217;s study group, we plan to teach the kids about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitner_system">Leitner system</a> for flashcard efficiency. I found out about the Leitner system by reading the comments in the <a href="http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FlashCard">Emacs flashcard.el mode</a> years ago, when I was learning Japanese. The Leitner system optimizes learning by reducing the repetitions for cards you know well and increasing the repetitions for cards you answer incorrectly. It works like this: </p>
<p> Start with your flashcards in one group (group 1). Review the cards in a group. If you answer a card correctly, move it to one group higher. If you answer a card incorrectly, move it back to group 1. Repeat with each group of cards. When you answer a card in group 5 correctly, you can archive the card until you want to do a general review again. This weeds out the cards that you can correctly answer five times in a row and lets you focus on the cards that you can&#8217;t consistently answer. </p>
<p> I think the Leitner system is really cool. It&#8217;s an elegant algorithm with a physical implementation. Neat! </p>
<p>  <span class="timestamp-wrapper"> <span class="timestamp">2011-04-24 Sun 14:16</span></span> </p>
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		<title type="html">The enemy of your enemy is your friend: mnemonics and negative integers</title>
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Sacha Chua]]></name></author>
		<updated>2011-04-28T02:32:14Z</updated>
    <published>2011-04-27T12:00:00Z</published>
    <category term="education" />
<category term="learning" />
<category term="life" />
<category term="teaching" />
		<id>https://sachachua.com/blog/?p=22229</id>
		<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>From April 26, Tuesday: J-&#8216;s studying for Thursday&#8217;s &#8220;in-class performance assessment&#8221; on integers. (In-class performance assessment? What happened to the good old word &#8220;quiz?&#8221; Too much anxiety?) We&#8217;re spreading the review out over the next two evenings. </p>
<p> The test will cover adding and subtracting positive and negative numbers. J- and her study group are already off multiplying and dividing (which apparently don&#8217;t turn up until grade 8 &#8211; really?). W- made up a quick worksheet for J- to practise adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing integers. </p>
<p> &#8220;The enemy of your enemy is your friend,&#8221; I heard her say as she solved the exercises, writing down the correct signs for all the products and quotients. I grinned. I&#8217;d taught them that mnemonic two weeks ago. It&#8217;s a way to remember the results of multiplying or dividing numbers. </p>
<p> As I explained to the kids: you don&#8217;t have to stick to this in real life. Pou can certainly be friends with the friends of your enemy. But this might help you remember the signs for multiplication and division: </p>
<ul>
<li>The friend of your friend is your friend. Positive times positive is positive. </li>
<li>The friend of your enemy is your enemy. Positive times negative is negative. </li>
<li>The enemy of your friend is your enemy. Negative times positive is negative. </li>
<li>The enemy of your enemy is your friend. Negative times negative is positive. </li>
</ul>
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<caption></caption>
<colgroup>
<col class="left">
<col class="left">
<col class="left"> </colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="left">A</td>
<td class="left">B</td>
<td class="left">Result</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Friend +</td>
<td class="left">Friend +</td>
<td class="left">Friend +</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Friend +</td>
<td class="left">Enemy &#8211;</td>
<td class="left">Enemy &#8211;</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Enemy &#8211;</td>
<td class="left">Friend +</td>
<td class="left">Enemy &#8211;</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="left">Enemy &#8211;</td>
<td class="left">Enemy &#8211;</td>
<td class="left">Friend +</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>  <span class="timestamp-wrapper"> <span class="timestamp">2011-04-26 Tue 20:05</span></span> </p>
<p>Glad to see it stuck in her head! She answered all the exercises correctly (and quickly, too).</p>
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		<title type="html">Math study group: Positive and negative numbers</title>
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Sacha Chua]]></name></author>
		<updated>2011-04-10T22:11:08Z</updated>
    <published>2011-04-12T12:00:00Z</published>
    <category term="education" />
<category term="learning" />
<category term="life" />
<category term="teaching" />
		<id>https://sachachua.com/blog/?p=22193</id>
		<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It was Friday, so J- and her friends were singing the Friday song as they hung up their coats and got ready for our math study group. It turned out that they had been so excited about coming home (to a math study group!) that they&#8217;d forgotten to arrange things with their parents, and V-&#8216;s dad had been waiting for her at school. Once everyone had called around and sorted things out with their parents, and everyone was well-fed, we got back to math. </p>
<p> One of the benefits of hosting multiple kids in a study group is that you get more information about what people are learning in school. V- said she needed help with positive and negative numbers, so that&#8217;s what we started off reviewing. </p>
<p> A quick review: 2 &#8211; (-3) = ? . Boggles all around. </p>
<p> Okay. A step down: -2 &#8211; 4 = ?. Still boggles and some guesses. </p>
<p> I drew a number line and labelled it with the numbers. &#8220;Imagine a cat standing on -2. Which direction does the cat go if you&#8217;re subtracting 4?&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8220;Left!&#8221; chorused the kids. &#8220;-6!&#8221; </p>
<p> I drew the cat ending up on -6. We did a couple of other exercises along those lines. Nods all around. Okay. </p>
<p> &#8220;What about -2 + 3?&#8221; I drew another numberline. &#8220;Right! +1.&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8220;What about 2 &#8211; (-3)?&#8221; I drew the cat on the numberline. &#8220;Okay, we&#8217;re starting on 2. And we&#8217;re subtracting, so we would normally move to the left, but we&#8217;re moving -3 steps&hellip; so the cat walks <span style="text-decoration:underline;">backward</span> three steps.&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8220;5!&#8221; said the kids. One of them asked, &#8220;Do your cats really walk backwards?&#8221; </p>
<p> &#8220;They do more of this hopping backward thing, yes, but cats can walk backwards if they want to.&#8221; </p>
<p> So we did a few more of those exercises, including things like -4 &#8211; (-5) and -(-(-2)). We also reviewed multiplying and dividing positive and negative numbers. The kids seemed comfortable with that, and answered our exercises with little prompting. </p>
<p> As we wrapped up our review of positive and negative numbers, A- arrived. She&#8217;s in grade 6, a grade behind the other kids, so we modified our exercises. She said she was taking up decimals in class. I asked her how she felt about the multiplication table. &#8220;Bad,&#8221; she confessed, at which the other kids begged (begged!) to do multiplication practice. </p>
<p> &#8220;But first, we&#8217;re going to talk about algebra very quickly,&#8221; W- said. He briefly reviewed what an algebraic equation really means, and the different parts of the equation: the constants, the variables, the operators, the assertion, and so on. We hope this will help them remember to keep their equations balanced, always doing operations on both sides of the equals sign. </p>
<p> &#8220;All right, multiplication,&#8221; I said, and we headed outside to practise multiplication. The way we do it is good for building confidence and a sense of numbers: we go through sets of five multiples until the kids can rattle them off smoothly. For example: 6, 12, 18, 24, 30. 6, 12, 18, 24, 30. And so on, around the circle. It&#8217;s really more of an audio recall task than a calculation task, and it gets them used to what the numbers feel like. They catch themselves now, when they make a mistake. And they&#8217;re enthusiastic and run ahead of themselves, doing sets of ten instead of sets of five, or challenging themselves further by doing jumping jacks while saying the numbers. </p>
<p> After multiplication practice, one of the kids piped up and asked, &#8220;Can we solve the equation in the breadbox?&#8221; Ah. Yes. Those. I&#8217;d spent some time the night before writing up simple equations and hiding them around the first floor of the house &#8211; possible exercises for J- or the study group, depending on how things went. So we agreed that they could look for the five Post-It notes I&#8217;d hidden IF they solved the equations as well. I settled in to review decimal multiplication and division with A- to help her catch up, and W- reviewed the other kids&#8217; work on the algebraic equations. </p>
<p> Our Friday afternoon math study groups are a great ritual. Glad we stumbled into organizing them! I hope other parents can host study groups as well &#8211; it would be good for all the kids to see active involvement &#8211; but it&#8217;s probably easiest for us, logistically speaking, because we can often work from home and we both enjoy teaching. If you can, try it! </p>
<p>  <span class="timestamp-wrapper"> <span class="timestamp">2011-04-10 Sun 12:05</span></span> </p>
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		<title type="html">Conversations: Stian H&aring;klev</title>
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		<updated>2010-11-21T22:04:32Z</updated>
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		<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://reganmian.net/">Stian Håklev</a> is passionate about education – and in particular, the richness of different cultures and perspectives. Here are some notes from a fascinating conversation I had with him at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, where he’s doing his PhD.</p>
<p><a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/image15.png"><img loading="lazy" style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 5px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="image" border="0" alt="image" src="https://sachachua.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/image_thumb4.png" width="580" height="283"></a> </p>
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<p>… and it wasn’t all questions, either – he has lots of ideas!</p>
<p>You can read his thesis at <a href="http://reganmian.net">reganmian.net</a> or check out the <a href="http://p2pu.org">peer-to-peer education site</a> he’s working on, where they’ve partnered with the Mozilla Foundation and other people to offer web development and other courses. Sample creative assignment: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/johndbritton/sets/72157624932677905/">draw the Internet</a>!</p>
<p>Stian’s passionate about open access, open research, multiculturalism, peer-to-peer education, and other interesting things. He’s hooked into Mozilla Foundation and the Center for Social Innovation. What else can he look at and who can he talk to? Possibly related: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Notebook_Science">Open Notebook Science</a>, <a href="http://learnhub.com/">LearnHub</a>, <a href="http://tckid.com/">Third Culture Kids</a>, <a href="http://democamp.com/">DemoCampToronto</a> (to show his peer-to-peer education site and ask for tips?)</p>
<p>Do these questions strike a chord with you? Get in touch with Stian and make cool stuff happen! <a href="https://sachachua.com/blog/feed/atom/reganmian.net">reganmian.net</a></p>
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