| bryankennedy |
my favorite development environment requirement = electricity |
| bryankennedy |
glad i got near the power strips |
| jrglasgow |
Be Lazy! |
| lyricnz |
Such infectious enthuiasm |
| jrglasgow |
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris |
| danblah |
hah nice jrglasgow |
| jackaponte |
is now known as palante_jack. |
| jrglasgow |
http://api.drupal.org |
| jrglasgow |
What? I only maintain 5 or 10 modules myself! |
| danblah |
lol, she has to much time on her hands! |
| jrglasgow |
Hey, I’v read about all the modules, at one point in time, then there just got to be too many. |
| danblah |
so true nothing worst is when i start putting a module together then find that it was already done a few hours in |
| tcconway |
drupalmodules.com rocks |
| edeloso |
biggest problem is sorting out which is the most current and well developed for the specific domain |
| jrglasgow |
danblah: I’ve done that as well |
| Morbus |
what’s going on in the trellon room? |
| alaken |
Going through all 4000+ modules is being lazy??? |
| lladnar1_ |
I guess you have to work hard to be lazy |
| scor__ |
Morbus: Totally Rocking Your Development Environment |
| scor__ |
http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/session/totally-rocking-your-development-environment |
| bryankennedy |
It’s lazier than writing a module that’s already been developed. |
| jrglasgow |
Morbus: we are discussing being lazy, the first of the 3 virtues of a programmer |
| lladnar1_ |
is now known as lladnar1. |
| scor__ |
bashing windows and IE |
| Morbus |
thanks. |
| jrglasgow |
scor__: that’s exactly why I can this week |
| jrglasgow |
^^ came |
| vasi |
For the firefox profile manager on Mac OS X, here’s my way to do it: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2008/08/shortcut_to_lau.html#comment-2622794 |
| Lane |
did she use some term to describe “relentless improvement”? “kaisa” or something? |
| Lane |
or did I just mishear? |
| vasi |
kaizen i think |
| scor__ |
vasi: thanks for sharing your tips – keep it coming! |
| vasi |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen |
| tcconway |
http://getfirebug.com/ |
| Lane |
vasi: thanks! |
| vasi |
np |
| vasi |
Safari and Chrome have “private mode”, that also lets you log in as two drupal users in one browser |
| vasi |
(Firefox 3.1 should have that too) |
| Lane |
tamper data sounds fun just in general, nevermind for development work |
| jrglasgow |
When you hate clicking on things, TAB is your best friend |
| jrglasgow |
Lane: Tamper Data is fun, especially when writing screen scraping scripts. |
| tcconway |
any good iMacros tool for the Mac? |
| vasi |
tcconway: i don’t think there’s anything free |
| tcconway |
figures…. |
| danblah |
dude thats crazy |
| danblah |
this ext sounds sick |
| vasi |
wow, Drupal for firebug shall be my new god |
| vasi |
worships |
| danblah |
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8370 |
| tcconway |
I’m in LOVE http://drupal.org/project/drupalforfirebug |
| japerry |
omg bouncy bouncty! |
| bryankennedy |
isn’t selenium kinda like imacros? |
| bryankennedy |
http://seleniumhq.org/projects/ide/ |
| danblah |
lol |
| bryankennedy |
you can use that on a mac |
| tcconway |
OW – PAIN |
| lladnar1 |
Drupal for firebug rocks! |
| tcconway |
amazing! |
| tcconway |
I can’t live without AdminMenu |
| japerry |
tcconway: same here. |
| danblah |
admin menu ftw |
| jrglasgow |
Instead of Admin Menu I use Simplemenu, SimpleMenu has the full Navigation Menu, not just the Admin menu http://drupal.org/project/simplemenu |
| tcconway |
Sacha is adorable! |
| tcconway |
(couldn’t resist) |
| bryankennedy |
Login with email should be in core. |
| jrglasgow |
bryankennedy: I agree, let’s make a push to get it there |
| vasi |
any recommended debugger UI? |
| jrglasgow |
tcconway: I agree |
| vasi |
i’m using Komodo |
| vasi |
but it’s non-idael |
| vasi |
*ideal |
| sceo |
XDebug = like Krumo? |
| vasi |
(i find Eclipse’s debugger painful) |
| japerry |
didn’t emacs die? |
| alaken |
I’m using freeware Komodo edit |
| sceo |
+1 for Komodo Edit |
| vasi |
(and don’t even get me started on vi) |
| japerry |
ducks |
| bryankennedy |
jrglasgow – yeah, i knew I should have had a commitment to do some code before I suggested |
| vasi |
Does the freeware Komodo have debug? |
| jrglasgow |
+1 Komodo Edit |
| bryankennedy |
xdebug is more than krumo |
| jrglasgow |
vasi: no |
| vasi |
sceo: no, not at all like krumo |
| bryankennedy |
you can use krumo with xdebug |
| vasi |
it lets you actually step through lines of code |
| danblah |
w00t! shooting |
| vasi |
as they execute |
| jrglasgow |
+1 Git |
| alaken |
Komodo edit – MUCH better with the Komodo Source Tree add-in |
| Moonshine_ |
can be handy for xdebug also… https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3960 |
| tcconway |
what? You have to check things in?!?! |
| bryankennedy |
brining new drupal developers into SVN or CVS is a big learning hump….so useful though |
| sceo |
puts xdebug on the list |
| tcconway |
makes a note to checkin. |
| edeloso |
I agree with the whole source tree… makes sure that version of core code is tied with the site…. upgrading a multisite hosting can be a nightmare |
| tcconway |
works really well for us too. |
| bryankennedy |
whole tree in svn is great, especially b/c most websites have SOME non-drupal pages or info in them somewhere |
| sceo |
source code control + drupal — so many approaches. we battled this for hours and hours at my company… we don’t really still have a good method |
| tcconway |
wait – you can have subdirectories in /sites/all/modules? |
| vasi |
sceo: yeah, it’s hard |
| vasi |
tcconway: yup |
| bryankennedy |
we use sites/all/modules/dev and then svn ignore on trunk for dev modules |
| tcconway |
wow. |
| vasi |
bryankennedy: doesn’t that make your dev env hard to migrate? |
| openprivacy |
check out drubuntu’s layout http://groups.drupal.org/node/6270 |
| tcconway |
bryankennedy: brilliant! |
| bryankennedy |
vasi: nah, you just ignore it on trunk, not on the branches |
| vasi |
bryankennedy: nice |
| Lane |
so what’s a good VCS for a single-person shop with no VCS experience or even awareness? |
| bryankennedy |
you have to do some manual moving around when you branch |
| Lane |
well, some awareness. |
| tcconway |
Lane: I’ve had good success with VisualSVN |
| vasi |
Lane: i’d start with SVN |
| Moonshine_ |
likes subversion as it’s time tested, lots of tools and not CVS |
| nick_vh |
Finally got some connection, yeah! |
| roginald |
nice |
| vasi |
but git is nice, too….it just breaks your brain |
| bryankennedy |
and svn has a free book |
| bryankennedy |
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| roginald |
i started using svn for local with 0 knowledge and it seems fine |
| bryankennedy |
You can start using svn in a day, it’ll take a year to learn really well. |
| nick_vh |
we use unfuddle for our repository and issue tickets. Really nice tool |
| openprivacy |
svn >> cvs |
| bryankennedy |
But it’s easy to weather mistakes with SVN |
| bryankennedy |
was kicked from the chat room by dcdc. (flood) |
| tcconway |
svn ftw |
| Lane |
thanks all |
| scor__ |
bryankennedy: what happened? |
| Lane |
that’s very helpful |
| Moonshine_ |
Lane: what os for dev? |
| bryankennedy |
posted too much |
| bryankennedy |
ooops |
| openprivacy |
ubuntu |
| Lane |
linux (CentOS 5) and Leopard |
| bryankennedy |
Sound like we could have an entire session on version control strategies for Drupal. |
| scor__ |
bryankennedy: submit a BoF! |
| sceo |
bryankennedy +1 yes and I would definitely go |
| bryankennedy |
BoF? |
| lladnar1 |
I still struggle with keeping database changes in svn |
| edeloso |
anyone had luck with versioning and changes to the database for modules that use a content type built with CCK? |
| lladnar1 |
Staging and deployment… I’ll be there |
| Moonshine_ |
Lane: In Leopard I use Subversion that’s built right into Komodo and SCPlugin for the finder http://scplugin.tigris.org/ |
| Lane |
Moonshine_: Thanks. |
| bryankennedy |
lladnar1: yeah totally |
| alaken |
can anyone recommend a how-to for this branch mergins stuff |
| lladnar1 |
Anyone have a good answer for database structures and confit settings? |
| roginald |
for a recap of last year’s dev/stage/build talk there is a video of the session here: http://www.archive.org/details/DrupalconBoston2008-BestPracticesInDevelopmentEnvironmentsStaging |
| bryankennedy |
lladnar1: this one helped me at one time – http://blog.daemon.com.au/go/blog-post/merging-with-subversion-and-eclipse |
| lyricnz |
what’s the link to Sacha’s pages again? |
| lyricnz |
notes for this session, that is |
| vasi |
i would LOVE a VCS BoF |
| vasi |
btw, i recommend that people learn how to use the command-line for version control…. |
| bryankennedy |
make sure to svnignore your sites/default dir so you don’t put your DB pass in your version control |
| msonnabaum |
yay bash |
| openprivacy |
we rename settings.php to settings.inc and commit that to the SVN repos; then create a 2 line settings.php that includes settings.inc and sets the $db_url |
| openprivacy |
you can also create any other local overrides into the settings.php file |
| sceo |
http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/node/3974 |
| sceo |
http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/node/3810 |
| sceo |
^^ any of those apply? |
| vasi |
openprivacy: yeah, we do that too |
| vasi |
we call it ‘settings-private.php’ |
| vasi |
and then we have tools that check if there’s a settings-private.php nearby, and will read it to autodetect the db/user/password |
| vasi |
makes dump/restore much easier |
| openprivacy |
since we do multisites for every project (Dev/QA/Live) I wrote a pushdb script that moves databases between them, changing all the appropriate values – doing dumps of the from and to DBs first |
| tcconway |
what’s the tag? |
| openprivacy |
it parses settings.php for the db_url |
| tcconway |
vimpirator |
| tcconway |
http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator |
| nick_vh |
aegir |
| vasi |
AEGIR |
| vasi |
http://conkeror.org/ |
| tcconway |
http://groups.drupal.org/aegir-hosting-system |
| nick_vh |
real nice tool for lot’s of sites |
| tcconway |
geben |
| vasi |
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_vhost_alias.html#virtualdocumentroot |
| openprivacy |
I haven’t got geben working yet |
| tcconway |
what’s her blog url? |
| vasi |
we just have VirtualDocumentRoot /var/shared/sites/%-3/site/ |
| nick_vh |
unfuddle |
| vasi |
and then you checkout a site inside /var/shared/sites/ |
| nick_vh |
www.unfuddle.com |
| nick_vh |
really really good! |
| lyricnz |
has script to upgrade modules between versions, when module is under SVN control – which determines local patches, makes upgrade, reapplies patches, does svn add/delete as required. Maybe that’s useful to someone |
| japerry |
definitely good! |
| vasi |
and it appears as blah.ourdomain.ca |
| sceo |
https://sachachua.com/site/ I think |
| vasi |
blog url: https://sachachua.com/blog/2009/03/01/25-tips-for-totally-rocking-your-drupal-development-environment-pre-session-notes/ |
| vasi |
basically with VirtualDocumentRoot, you don’t need vhost |
| tcconway |
quote of the session: “Spaces, no tabs. Spaces, no tabs” |
| vasi |
entab/detab \o/ |
| openprivacy |
coder will mark those |
| lyricnz |
Sacha ftw |
| tcconway |
agreed. |
| msonnabaum |
haven’t tried Drush for running update.php, but here’s a kinda ghetto bash script I wrote to run it: http://colonqbang.com/content/automating-updatephp |
| danblah |
w00t for ghetto bash cripts |
| sceo1 |
is now known as sceo. |
| ccalnan |
http://drupal.org/project/install_profile_api for those who want to know about install profile |
| vasi |
does anybody use a local DNS? |
| vasi |
i’ve been thinking of doing that for staging….so i can see what a site will look like with the final domain |
| tcconway |
I *kinda* do…I take advantage of MAMP Pro’s local dnsin’ |
| vasi |
ah |
| nick_vh |
http://krimson.be/en/debugging-drupal-6-using-xdebug |
| nick_vh |
another handy url |
| bryankennedy |
great session |
| vasi |
who’s emailing the log? |
| scor__ |
http://openspring.net/tip/script-for-dumping-your-drupal-database-by-reusing-settingsphp |
| scor__ |
vasi: I will |
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