IRC backchannel log for Totally Rocking Your Development Environment, DrupalCon 2009
| drupalIRC chat, thanks to Stephane Corlosquet
This was for my Totally Rocking Your Drupal Development Environment talk at DrupalCon 2009. =)
| bryankennedy | my favorite development environment requirement = electricity |
| bryankennedy | glad i got near the power strips |
| jrglasgow | Be Lazy! |
| lyricnz | Such infectious enthuiasm |
| jrglasgow | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris |
| danblah | hah nice jrglasgow |
| jackaponte | is now known as palante_jack. |
| jrglasgow | http://api.drupal.org |
| jrglasgow | What? I only maintain 5 or 10 modules myself! |
| danblah | lol, she has to much time on her hands! |
| jrglasgow | Hey, I’v read about all the modules, at one point in time, then there just got to be too many. |
| danblah | so true nothing worst is when i start putting a module together then find that it was already done a few hours in |
| tcconway | drupalmodules.com rocks |
| edeloso | biggest problem is sorting out which is the most current and well developed for the specific domain |
| jrglasgow | danblah: I’ve done that as well |
| Morbus | what’s going on in the trellon room? |
| alaken | Going through all 4000+ modules is being lazy??? |
| lladnar1_ | I guess you have to work hard to be lazy |
| scor__ | Morbus: Totally Rocking Your Development Environment |
| scor__ | http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/session/totally-rocking-your-development-environment |
| bryankennedy | It’s lazier than writing a module that’s already been developed. |
| jrglasgow | Morbus: we are discussing being lazy, the first of the 3 virtues of a programmer |
| lladnar1_ | is now known as lladnar1. |
| scor__ | bashing windows and IE |
| Morbus | thanks. |
| jrglasgow | scor__: that’s exactly why I can this week |
| jrglasgow | ^^ came |
| vasi | For the firefox profile manager on Mac OS X, here’s my way to do it: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2008/08/shortcut_to_lau.html#comment-2622794 |
| Lane | did she use some term to describe “relentless improvement”? “kaisa” or something? |
| Lane | or did I just mishear? |
| vasi | kaizen i think |
| scor__ | vasi: thanks for sharing your tips – keep it coming! |
| vasi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen |
| tcconway | http://getfirebug.com/ |
| Lane | vasi: thanks! |
| vasi | np |
| vasi | Safari and Chrome have “private mode”, that also lets you log in as two drupal users in one browser |
| vasi | (Firefox 3.1 should have that too) |
| Lane | tamper data sounds fun just in general, nevermind for development work |
| jrglasgow | When you hate clicking on things, TAB is your best friend |
| jrglasgow | Lane: Tamper Data is fun, especially when writing screen scraping scripts. |
| tcconway | any good iMacros tool for the Mac? |
| vasi | tcconway: i don’t think there’s anything free |
| tcconway | figures…. |
| danblah | dude thats crazy |
| danblah | this ext sounds sick |
| vasi | wow, Drupal for firebug shall be my new god |
| vasi | worships |
| danblah | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8370 |
| tcconway | I’m in LOVE http://drupal.org/project/drupalforfirebug |
| japerry | omg bouncy bouncty! |
| bryankennedy | isn’t selenium kinda like imacros? |
| bryankennedy | http://seleniumhq.org/projects/ide/ |
| danblah | lol |
| bryankennedy | you can use that on a mac |
| tcconway | OW – PAIN |
| lladnar1 | Drupal for firebug rocks! |
| tcconway | amazing! |
| tcconway | I can’t live without AdminMenu |
| japerry | tcconway: same here. |
| danblah | admin menu ftw |
| jrglasgow | Instead of Admin Menu I use Simplemenu, SimpleMenu has the full Navigation Menu, not just the Admin menu http://drupal.org/project/simplemenu |
| tcconway | Sacha is adorable! |
| tcconway | (couldn’t resist) |
| bryankennedy | Login with email should be in core. |
| jrglasgow | bryankennedy: I agree, let’s make a push to get it there |
| vasi | any recommended debugger UI? |
| jrglasgow | tcconway: I agree |
| vasi | i’m using Komodo |
| vasi | but it’s non-idael |
| vasi | *ideal |
| sceo | XDebug = like Krumo? |
| vasi | (i find Eclipse’s debugger painful) |
| japerry | didn’t emacs die? |
| alaken | I’m using freeware Komodo edit |
| sceo | +1 for Komodo Edit |
| vasi | (and don’t even get me started on vi) |
| japerry | ducks |
| bryankennedy | jrglasgow – yeah, i knew I should have had a commitment to do some code before I suggested |
| vasi | Does the freeware Komodo have debug? |
| jrglasgow | +1 Komodo Edit |
| bryankennedy | xdebug is more than krumo |
| jrglasgow | vasi: no |
| vasi | sceo: no, not at all like krumo |
| bryankennedy | you can use krumo with xdebug |
| vasi | it lets you actually step through lines of code |
| danblah | w00t! shooting |
| vasi | as they execute |
| jrglasgow | +1 Git |
| alaken | Komodo edit – MUCH better with the Komodo Source Tree add-in |
| Moonshine_ | can be handy for xdebug also… https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3960 |
| tcconway | what? You have to check things in?!?! |
| bryankennedy | brining new drupal developers into SVN or CVS is a big learning hump….so useful though |
| sceo | puts xdebug on the list |
| tcconway | makes a note to checkin. |
| edeloso | I agree with the whole source tree… makes sure that version of core code is tied with the site…. upgrading a multisite hosting can be a nightmare |
| tcconway | works really well for us too. |
| bryankennedy | whole tree in svn is great, especially b/c most websites have SOME non-drupal pages or info in them somewhere |
| sceo | source code control + drupal — so many approaches. we battled this for hours and hours at my company… we don’t really still have a good method |
| tcconway | wait – you can have subdirectories in /sites/all/modules? |
| vasi | sceo: yeah, it’s hard |
| vasi | tcconway: yup |
| bryankennedy | we use sites/all/modules/dev and then svn ignore on trunk for dev modules |
| tcconway | wow. |
| vasi | bryankennedy: doesn’t that make your dev env hard to migrate? |
| openprivacy | check out drubuntu’s layout http://groups.drupal.org/node/6270 |
| tcconway | bryankennedy: brilliant! |
| bryankennedy | vasi: nah, you just ignore it on trunk, not on the branches |
| vasi | bryankennedy: nice |
| Lane | so what’s a good VCS for a single-person shop with no VCS experience or even awareness? |
| bryankennedy | you have to do some manual moving around when you branch |
| Lane | well, some awareness. |
| tcconway | Lane: I’ve had good success with VisualSVN |
| vasi | Lane: i’d start with SVN |
| Moonshine_ | likes subversion as it’s time tested, lots of tools and not CVS |
| nick_vh | Finally got some connection, yeah! |
| roginald | nice |
| vasi | but git is nice, too….it just breaks your brain |
| bryankennedy | and svn has a free book |
| bryankennedy | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| roginald | i started using svn for local with 0 knowledge and it seems fine |
| bryankennedy | You can start using svn in a day, it’ll take a year to learn really well. |
| nick_vh | we use unfuddle for our repository and issue tickets. Really nice tool |
| openprivacy | svn >> cvs |
| bryankennedy | But it’s easy to weather mistakes with SVN |
| bryankennedy | was kicked from the chat room by dcdc. (flood) |
| tcconway | svn ftw |
| Lane | thanks all |
| scor__ | bryankennedy: what happened? |
| Lane | that’s very helpful |
| Moonshine_ | Lane: what os for dev? |
| bryankennedy | posted too much |
| bryankennedy | ooops |
| openprivacy | ubuntu |
| Lane | linux (CentOS 5) and Leopard |
| bryankennedy | Sound like we could have an entire session on version control strategies for Drupal. |
| scor__ | bryankennedy: submit a BoF! |
| sceo | bryankennedy +1 yes and I would definitely go |
| bryankennedy | BoF? |
| lladnar1 | I still struggle with keeping database changes in svn |
| edeloso | anyone had luck with versioning and changes to the database for modules that use a content type built with CCK? |
| lladnar1 | Staging and deployment… I’ll be there |
| Moonshine_ | Lane: In Leopard I use Subversion that’s built right into Komodo and SCPlugin for the finder http://scplugin.tigris.org/ |
| Lane | Moonshine_: Thanks. |
| bryankennedy | lladnar1: yeah totally |
| alaken | can anyone recommend a how-to for this branch mergins stuff |
| lladnar1 | Anyone have a good answer for database structures and confit settings? |
| roginald | for a recap of last year’s dev/stage/build talk there is a video of the session here: http://www.archive.org/details/DrupalconBoston2008-BestPracticesInDevelopmentEnvironmentsStaging |
| bryankennedy | lladnar1: this one helped me at one time – http://blog.daemon.com.au/go/blog-post/merging-with-subversion-and-eclipse |
| lyricnz | what’s the link to Sacha’s pages again? |
| lyricnz | notes for this session, that is |
| vasi | i would LOVE a VCS BoF |
| vasi | btw, i recommend that people learn how to use the command-line for version control…. |
| bryankennedy | make sure to svnignore your sites/default dir so you don’t put your DB pass in your version control |
| msonnabaum | yay bash |
| openprivacy | we rename settings.php to settings.inc and commit that to the SVN repos; then create a 2 line settings.php that includes settings.inc and sets the $db_url |
| openprivacy | you can also create any other local overrides into the settings.php file |
| sceo | http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/node/3974 |
| sceo | http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/node/3810 |
| sceo | ^^ any of those apply? |
| vasi | openprivacy: yeah, we do that too |
| vasi | we call it ‘settings-private.php’ |
| vasi | and then we have tools that check if there’s a settings-private.php nearby, and will read it to autodetect the db/user/password |
| vasi | makes dump/restore much easier |
| openprivacy | since we do multisites for every project (Dev/QA/Live) I wrote a pushdb script that moves databases between them, changing all the appropriate values – doing dumps of the from and to DBs first |
| tcconway | what’s the tag? |
| openprivacy | it parses settings.php for the db_url |
| tcconway | vimpirator |
| tcconway | http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator |
| nick_vh | aegir |
| vasi | AEGIR |
| vasi | http://conkeror.org/ |
| tcconway | http://groups.drupal.org/aegir-hosting-system |
| nick_vh | real nice tool for lot’s of sites |
| tcconway | geben |
| vasi | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_vhost_alias.html#virtualdocumentroot |
| openprivacy | I haven’t got geben working yet |
| tcconway | what’s her blog url? |
| vasi | we just have VirtualDocumentRoot /var/shared/sites/%-3/site/ |
| nick_vh | unfuddle |
| vasi | and then you checkout a site inside /var/shared/sites/ |
| nick_vh | www.unfuddle.com |
| nick_vh | really really good! |
| lyricnz | has script to upgrade modules between versions, when module is under SVN control – which determines local patches, makes upgrade, reapplies patches, does svn add/delete as required. Maybe that’s useful to someone |
| japerry | definitely good! |
| vasi | and it appears as blah.ourdomain.ca |
| sceo | https://sachachua.com/site/ I think |
| vasi | blog url: https://sachachua.com/blog/2009/03/01/25-tips-for-totally-rocking-your-drupal-development-environment-pre-session-notes/ |
| vasi | basically with VirtualDocumentRoot, you don’t need vhost |
| tcconway | quote of the session: “Spaces, no tabs. Spaces, no tabs” |
| vasi | entab/detab \o/ |
| openprivacy | coder will mark those |
| lyricnz | Sacha ftw |
| tcconway | agreed. |
| msonnabaum | haven’t tried Drush for running update.php, but here’s a kinda ghetto bash script I wrote to run it: http://colonqbang.com/content/automating-updatephp |
| danblah | w00t for ghetto bash cripts |
| sceo1 | is now known as sceo. |
| ccalnan | http://drupal.org/project/install_profile_api for those who want to know about install profile |
| vasi | does anybody use a local DNS? |
| vasi | i’ve been thinking of doing that for staging….so i can see what a site will look like with the final domain |
| tcconway | I *kinda* do…I take advantage of MAMP Pro’s local dnsin’ |
| vasi | ah |
| nick_vh | http://krimson.be/en/debugging-drupal-6-using-xdebug |
| nick_vh | another handy url |
| bryankennedy | great session |
| vasi | who’s emailing the log? |
| scor__ | http://openspring.net/tip/script-for-dumping-your-drupal-database-by-reusing-settingsphp |
| scor__ | vasi: I will |
You can comment with Disqus or you can e-mail me at sacha@sachachua.com.